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[Sep. 11th, 2007|06:57 pm]
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 Ah, the lament of at least one character from every Boys' Love story:


[User Picture]From: cyfis
2007-09-12 05:37 pm (UTC)
Well, how else would they know who the Designated Uke was?
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[User Picture]From: froborr
2007-09-12 05:46 pm (UTC)
You know, it's kind of funny how in Japan you have the semme/uke trope, but in America the equivalent applies to the opposite gender, with the butch/dyke thing. I have yet to encounter a gay couple which remotely resembles either trope.
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[User Picture]From: siliconrose
2007-09-13 01:49 am (UTC)
Well, unlike butch/dyke, seme and uke actually have technical meanings. They just also tend to be assigned stereotypical roles along with those technical meanings. (Semeru means 'to attack' and ukeru means 'to receive'. Draw the appropriate conclusions, aaaaaaand...!)

...by the way, it sent me into giggles when one of my karate teachers actually referred to being on the attacking side and defending side in these terms.
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[User Picture]From: froborr
2007-09-13 02:21 pm (UTC)
There's still an assumption which, at least to me, seems absurd, namely that one partner habitually "attacks" and the other habitually "receives". Doesn't it seem more reasonable that they'd switch off pretty regularly, indeed, probably at least once per sexual encounter?
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[User Picture]From: eclesis
2007-09-13 11:11 pm (UTC)
Ah but that's the point. They're not supposed to resemble real relationships by any stretch of the imagination. This is stuff written (drawn) by women, for a female audience.

Said female audience, 90% of the time, is supposed to identify with the uke, therefore he behaves exactly like a woman in all respects of the relationship. Ignore the fact that he's supposedly biologically male (even that's kind of suspect, given how much handwaving happens with anatomy in these things), the character is essentially an author/audience cipher.

It has very little to do with real-life gay men, and everything to do with the fantasies of women. One of the reasons I don't like most yaoi.
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[User Picture]From: siliconrose
2007-09-14 02:10 am (UTC)
I'm not so sure about that. I mean, it entirely depends on their preferences for sexual activity -- not everyone likes the position of the 'uke', and I'm sure there would be some that found 'seme' disgusting. I wouldn't be surprised if two people who had defined preferences would get together... after all, it can work for both of them at the same time. Of course, there are going to be some people who insert no tab into no slot at all.

Now, I'm not sure people would hesitate to call someone 'uke' who habitually was the one who received, and their partner 'seme', even though that may not define their roles in every situation. They may switch off, just have positions that they generally prefer.

This isn't to say I find the typical seme/uke dynamic an accurate representation of all male homosexual relationships -- I agree with eclesis' point that it's unrealistic. However, while I'm very sure that most gay couples don't fit the stereotypical personalities of the seme and uke, from what I know of sexual relationships, I don't think that a partnership falling into those physical roles would be that odd.
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