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[Jul. 27th, 2006|09:28 am]
Silicon Rose
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Just various thoughts. I talked a lot of them over with genedefect last night, but I still wanted to write them down.

Dear Demyx,

You spent both fights claiming that you weren't designed for this kind of thing, meaning fighting. While, admittedly, you were an absolute pansy the first time I fought you, based on the second I call you a brazen lier.

Sincerely,
Me

Dear Squeenix, specifically the battle designer for the second battle for Demyx,

WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING?! Look, the in battle mini-games haven't really pissed me off much up until this point, but losing the f***ing battle because I couldn't wipe out 10 enemies in TEN SECONDS, and having the amount of times I have to do this be f***ing random, AND having the boss attached to this mini-game be a special-effect spamming pain in the a** on top of it... WTF? I punched my strategy guide, several times, because I couldn't beat this stupid boss. It reminds me of when I was fighting Darkness Riku/Ansem in front of the key hole in Hollow Bastion in the first game.

Glarg,
Me

I was sort of amused by the entire Ansem isn't really Ansem revelatory cut scenes. For one, that was kinda spilled by the Ura Ansem Reports up 'til that point, which I assume was planned. However, it's at least theoretically the case that the characters have had access to these reports as well. With the content of the reports, you might have written across them "THE GUY YOU KILLED: NOT ANSEM" in big black letters, so I'm a little puzzled that the characters didn't manage to catch on. I mean, yeah, they don't take the cake in intelligence, but they're not STUPID.

Also, while I sort of understand their dismay, it's misplaced. Ansem wasn't the bad guy. Zeanode was. We killed the bad guy. (Or, well, half of him, at least. By the way, I give them oodles of points for having a good reason for the same bad guy showing up again.) So it doesn't really matter that they didn't kill Ansem, and it doesn't counteract their achievements at all. They wiped out the problem. Joy was (supposed to have been) spread across the land.

King Mickey manages to be surprisingly King-like for... well... Mickey Mouse. I was struck by that. I mean, he still feels like Mickey, but they did a very good job of giving him a King-like feel while not wiping out all of the cute.

I do understand the characters' confusion at this point. Frankly, I'm not sure who's on who's side at this point. Maleficent just, y'know, coming in and lending a hand - well, I admit that sort of rocked me. I'm still confused about it, though I guess her view was: this is a war between the Nobodies and the Heartless; Sora is currently working for the Nobodies. Thus, I need to give him a reason to work for me to wipe out the Nobodies, so that when he's finished I can wipe him out without interruption. I suppose it's fair that Maleficent would feel more threatened by Org 13, because they're the most like her, except there are more of them. Sora and co. have a power she doesn't really understand, but because they limit themselves to only taking the good road, she thinks she can crush them. (Still. Even after getting her posterior handed to her in the first game.)

Ah. Scene between Leon and Cloud, facing down the Heartless, FTW.

C: "If there were one more of them, I might have some trouble."
L: "Then I'll take one more."
C: "Oh? You were going to fight too?"

...I loved the feel of it - yeah, these are the protagonists from two of Square's games. Of course they have some (more or less well-deserved) arrogance.

Nice use of KH backstory in the re-writing of Cloud and Sephiroth's relationship.

Desperate urge to pound Saix's head in. (Dogeza saseten jane- yo, omae!!!)

Now, the last thing I've been thinking about... okay, Ansem(?) had a Nobody. Surprised me at the beginning - not so much now. I wasn't entirely expecting Ansem(?) to not be Ansem, so I was fiddling with the idea that maybe there was a good half and a bad half, and the good half ended up as the Nobody while the Heartless ended up evil. Probably wouldn't work given the metaphysics, but they weren't as clearly explained at that point. Anyways. We clearly see during the six days that Dix met Ansem(?). Ansem(?) gave him his 'real name' - Ansem. Dix doesn't appear to like Nobodies very much - he seems to be trying to wipe them out. After all, he did support the King and Riku, there was that entire monologue directed at Roxas, after finishing with Namine it's fairly clear he's planning to get rid of her, etc. However, Ansem(?) being the leader of Org 13 throws all of that into confusion. Dix seems to know an awful lot about what's going on, so I find it a little hard to believe he didn't know that Ansem(?) was the leader of Org 13. But they seemed about as friendly as Dix ever gets with anyone. So, while I figured eventually we'd be kicking Dix's butt because even though he was kinda on our side, he was a meanie (of course, with probably better justification in the game), I'm now wondering, again, just whose side he's on.

That seems to be a big part of the game.

Poor Axel - now, talking about sides, he's just gotten screwed. Now it looks like Org 13 wants to kill him. Sheesh. Despite all the trouble he's caused, I can't help but feeling like he's a little... y'know... kawaisou.

This feeling will probably last until I have to fight him again, given the sudden difficulty ramp up in boss battles.
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[User Picture]From: dragonoflife
2006-07-27 05:55 pm (UTC)
Oh, you'll love what the DiZ-meets-Ansem thing turns out to be. My only suggestion is that once you do understand it all, replay the Twilight Town scenes just to appreciate that understanding all the more.

I loved the dialogue between Leon and Cloud, yes. All the FF characters were fun in KH2 except for Cid and Aeris; I'm particularly fond of Tifa, wandering around and terrorizing everyone while she wrecks things up.

Demyx was freakin' harder than KH1 Riku. Riku at least you could have a nifty sword duel with, Demyx consists entirely of running around and avoiding water attacks, or hoping you do.

With Maleficent, consider that Xehanort/Xemnas had just displayed the ability to summon and control Heartless. Clearly this has to be both an aggravation and an insult to her, since *she* (and Pete, whose presence in this game I really like, BTW) is supposed to be the Chief Commander of Heartless now that Ansem/Heartless Xehanort is toast. Of course, we had some hints that this was the case already (I seem to recall Organization XIII lusting after the Beast's Heartless AND his Nobody, though that may have been someone else), but still, it has to piss her off. Sora and company clearly have the potential to defeat Xehanort, so tactically it's fairly clever to set them against each other, but ultimately it seems to be more pride guiding her than anything.

Oh, incidentally -- especially when you start getting into the nasty bosses and the Paradox Cups: Whirligoof. Screw Trinity, Whirligoof is a sickeningly powerful Limit.
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[User Picture]From: falsedrow
2006-07-27 07:09 pm (UTC)
Did they dumb down the American copy of this? I really don't remember Demyx being particularly hard.

I know they did in some places. Lu nearly stabbed me when I told her the points goal for the last paradoc cup had been cut down to 15K (from 30K).
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[User Picture]From: dragonoflife
2006-07-27 08:05 pm (UTC)
Demyx was freaking annoying. I mean, you could wear him down, it just took forever because he was always spamming water all over the place.

Pfft, all that a 30k point goal would have meant was a few more rounds of spamming Stitch. I got to 20k easily, and there were plenty more opportunities to get points that I didn't take. (Stitch or Master Form, which I always found easiest to use to kill multiple enemies at once. Hmm, now that I think about it, the ideal tactic would be to stick Wishing Lamp or whatever the Jackpot Keyblade was as Master Form's secondary weapon...)
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[User Picture]From: siliconrose
2006-07-28 07:21 am (UTC)
Hmm, okay.

That's a good point. And, yes, they were lusting after Beast's Heartless and Nobody, I just got to that in the second episode of Beast's Castle. Not exactly sure why, unless they wanted his heart because it was strong, and might help them get to Kingdom Hearts faster?

...they do need more powerful Nobodies, after all, Sora's been cutting a wide swath through Org 13. I think he wiped out five in CoM, and I've already cut down two more, so they're already down past half strength.

Hn. Got it!
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[User Picture]From: dragonoflife
2006-07-28 09:09 am (UTC)
Presumably the Org XIII people were doing things *other* than hassling Sora. For which a Beast minion would come in handy. I mean, clearly their entire efforts weren't focused on Sora, or else once they got sick of him they'd all come at him at once to wipe him out...

...You get the feeling Xemnas wants Kingdom Hearts aaaaaall to himself? It's like Zetta chasing a Netherworld. "Go, my loyal battle monkeys! Do my bidding and bust a cap!" This is why the super-secret Secret Ansem Report -1 reveals that the original name of Organization XIII was Organization Xemnas's Meatshield.

Wow, okay, that legitimate point certainly went to a weird place. I blame sleepdep.
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[User Picture]From: cyfis
2006-07-27 09:22 pm (UTC)
Did you ever read my rants RE: minigames/reaction commands in KH2? I'm actually vaguely embarrassed looking at some of the things I'd gone off about on the gaming journal. I didn't quite start throwing the controller but came pretty close.

RE: Demyx. Strange. I beat him first try with no problems at all. I understand that a lot of people seem to have trouble with the Hollow Bastion fight but I never did. Maybe I just got lucky. Mashing the Triangle button helps.

But yes, "no good at fighting" is a blatant lie. It's hard close with him because a lot of his attacks are ranged with significant knockback.

The FF sequence was all about fanservice. You could hear the ecstatic squees of a legion of fanboys/fangirls punctuating the background.

Plot, well, yeah, plot gets confusing right around this point. Also, I think the guy you're talking about is DiZ, not Dix? I don't think he's an Org13 member.

As for Axel, well, I can't say too much due to spoilers, but yeah, he does get the short end of the stick.
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[User Picture]From: siliconrose
2006-07-28 07:17 am (UTC)
Heh. I just went back and peeked - needed to be a little careful about reading them. ^^

genedefect got lucky when he fought Demyx - no 10 seconds battles at all. He suggested trying not to spam the triangle button after the first 50 water battle, thinking it might be related to the water around Demyx (that Wild Dance would trigger it), but that wasn't the case. Really, given my spec I should have been spamming Thunder, but I was too dumb to realize it, and when I finally read the suggestions in the Ultimania, I got distracted at the last minute and forgot to Customize Thunder in. I won that battle, so no second option to try with Thunder. Frankly, I'm too slow at manipulating the menu to make anything but what's on my Customize a viable option. I don't use Renkei much, because Auto-Renkei always pops up at the wrong time and blows my entire magic bar, and getting to it deliberately would be a hassle.

...Kakko warui yo na.

...I also feel really dumb, because the way Cure is described I thought you needed a full magic bar to use it, so I was saving up my magic in battles to use Cure. But I can spam magic right up to the recharge limit, then hit Cure at the last second, with just a twitch of magic left... sigh.

Mmm. I think it's related to the Nobody thing... he got all whiny up to a point, but at the last second he changed. It was like he was just an entirely different person.

...when I realized that, I also realized that describes a certain amount of Axel's behavior. You don't really get many chances to have extended conversations with Org 13 members, so it was a little subtle (to me, at least), but they pretend to have emotions up to a point and then pitch them when they're not useful. That explains Axel's obvious sadness at fighting Roxas in the beginning of their conversations, then the abrupt "...but I'm going to kill you anyways!" with little or no apparent regret. It seems to particularly happen under stressful circumstances, so perhaps it's a self-defense thing, that they revert to emotionless survival instincts when they're threatened.

~grin~ But cool!

Yeah, it's DiZ. I'm horrible with names, and it's been 20 hours since I last saw his ugly mug. I had to look Saix up, and I just met him. I don't think he's Org 13, but I'm questioning his relationship to them. I gather that all will be made clear eventually.

^^ Looking forward to it... I think.
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[User Picture]From: dragonoflife
2006-07-28 09:14 am (UTC)
You've caught an amnesia-causing DiZease?

KH2 hits you with so much information you're feeling DiZzy?

At least you have the journal, so forgetting information isn't a DiZaster.

But it's hard to remember someone with such an odd DiZposition.

Living in a society where everyone had such names would be a real DiZtopia.

I should lay off you now, you don't DiZerve this shabby treatment.
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[User Picture]From: cyfis
2006-07-28 11:23 am (UTC)
Maa, koistukete? I try to label everything but yeah, careful of spoilers :P

I hate the menu system actually. I never used anything that wasn't hotkeyed, which meant I had 3 spells total (Thunder, Gravity, Heal usually, swap Gravity for Reflect for bosses) at any given point. Though to be honest aside from the Gravity+Thunder combo and Heal magic in this game isn't that useful.

Rengeki . . . Auto Rengeki is a pain in the ass if you forget to take it off before certain boss battles. I had to fight Boogie with Auto Rengeki and let me tell you, that was NOT fun. However, in other cases it's quite useful, particularly Donald's Fantasia and the one Tron gets after he upgrades. I generally find myself always with a full MP bar if I don't use Rengeki though. I don't heal often enough to have to recharge a lot.

RE: Nobodies, KH canon, at least as presented to the protagonists, states that Nobodies don't have real emotions and are just pretending, whether consciously or out of habit. How the actual psychology/metaphics of this works is entirely up in the air, of course, since they never get around to explaining a lot of it. One can argue that some of the Org people can get angry or obviously upset under stress (Axel, for instance, certainly acts quite pissed off the second time you fight him, and I seem to recall some of the CoM characters to be quite annoyed when you beat them), but others just seem quite cold. Demyx in particular is hard to place because at first glance he seems the most "normal" out of all of them but . . .

DiZ is a bit of an ass in the beginning but he's got good reason. You'll see :P
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[User Picture]From: siliconrose
2006-07-28 03:27 pm (UTC)
I had a similar problem with Renkei with the Storm Rider in the second Episode of The Land of Dragons. Twice, I accidentally kicked off a Renkei with Mulan, when all I wanted to do was take the whirlwind elevator up to beat up the boss. Of course, that meant that I -couldn't- take the whirlwind until the combo was finished, and it wasn't like Mulan could do any damage to the thing that was about twenty character heights above us, so... complete waste of time and magic.

Easy boss, though, so just grumble, growl, hissyfit, keep whacking on boss.
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